hello all.
I am having problem with updates/
pacman.conf:
# /etc/pacman.conf
#
#
# See the pacman.conf(5) manpage for option and repository directives
#
# GENERAL OPTIONS
#
[options]
# RootDir = /
# DBPath = /var/lib/pacman/
CacheDir = /var/cache/pacman/pkg/
# LogFile = /var/log/pacman.log
# GPGDir = /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/
# HookDir = /etc/pacman.d/hooks/
HoldPkg = pacman glibc garuda-system
# XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget --passive-ftp -c -O %o %u
# XferCommand = /usr/bin/wget --passive-ftp -c -O %o %u
# CleanMethod = KeepInstalled
Architecture = auto
#IgnorePkg =
#IgnorePkg =
# IgnoreGroup =
# NoUpgrade =
# NoExtract =
# UseSyslog
Color
TotalDownload
CheckSpace
ILoveCandy
# VerbosePkgLists
SigLevel = Required DatabaseOptional
LocalFileSigLevel = Optional
# RemoteFileSigLevel = Required
# [testing]
# Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
# [kde-unstable]
# Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
[core]
Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
[extra]
Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
# [community-testing]
# Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
[community]
Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
# [multilib-testing]
# Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
[multilib]
Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
# [custom]
# SigLevel = Optional TrustAll
# Server = file:///home/custompkgs
[chaotic-aur]
SigLevel = Never
Include = /etc/pacman.d/chaotic-mirrorlist
updates are failing:
upd
################################################################################
################# Arch Linux mirrorlist generated by Reflector #################
################################################################################
# With: reflector --latest 5 --age 2 --fastest 5 --protocol https --sort rate --save /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
# When: 2021-03-08 22:27:19 UTC
# From: https://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/json/
# Retrieved: 2021-03-08 22:27:09 UTC
# Last Check: 2021-03-08 20:31:59 UTC
Server = https://mirror.pkgbuild.com/$repo/os/$arch
Server = https://mirror.pseudoform.org/$repo/os/$arch
Server = https://arch.mirror.constant.com/$repo/os/$arch
Server = https://arch.mirror.square-r00t.net/$repo/os/$arch
Server = https://mirrors.neusoft.edu.cn/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch
:: Synchronising package databases...
core is up to date
extra is up to date
community is up to date
multilib is up to date
chaotic-aur is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
:: kcmutils-git and kcmutils are in conflict. Remove kcmutils? [y/N] y
:: kdeclarative-git and kdeclarative are in conflict. Remove kdeclarative? [y/N] y
:: kio-git and kio are in conflict. Remove kio? [y/N] y
:: solid-git and solid are in conflict. Remove solid? [y/N] y
:: kjobwidgets-git and kjobwidgets are in conflict. Remove kjobwidgets? [y/N] y
:: kcoreaddons-git and kcoreaddons are in conflict. Remove kcoreaddons? [y/N] y
:: kwidgetsaddons-git and kwidgetsaddons are in conflict. Remove kwidgetsaddons? [y/N] y
:: kbookmarks-git and kbookmarks are in conflict. Remove kbookmarks? [y/N] y
:: kxmlgui-git and kxmlgui are in conflict. Remove kxmlgui? [y/N] y
:: kglobalaccel-git and kglobalaccel are in conflict. Remove kglobalaccel? [y/N] y
:: kdbusaddons-git and kdbusaddons are in conflict. Remove kdbusaddons? [y/N] y
:: kconfig-git and kconfig are in conflict. Remove kconfig? [y/N] y
:: kcrash-git and kcrash are in conflict. Remove kcrash? [y/N] y
:: kwindowsystem-git and kwindowsystem are in conflict. Remove kwindowsystem? [y/N] y
:: kiconthemes-git and kiconthemes are in conflict. Remove kiconthemes? [y/N] y
:: kconfigwidgets-git and kconfigwidgets are in conflict. Remove kconfigwidgets? [y/N] y
:: kauth-git and kauth are in conflict. Remove kauth? [y/N] y
:: kcodecs-git and kcodecs are in conflict. Remove kcodecs? [y/N] y
:: kguiaddons-git and kguiaddons are in conflict. Remove kguiaddons? [y/N] y
:: ki18n-git and ki18n are in conflict. Remove ki18n? [y/N] y
:: kitemviews-git and kitemviews are in conflict. Remove kitemviews? [y/N] y
:: karchive-git and karchive are in conflict. Remove karchive? [y/N] y
:: attica-git and attica are in conflict. Remove attica? [y/N] y
:: kwallet-git and kwallet are in conflict. Remove kwallet? [y/N] y
:: knotifications-git and knotifications are in conflict. Remove knotifications? [y/N] y
:: kservice-git and kservice are in conflict. Remove kservice? [y/N] y
:: ktextwidgets-git and ktextwidgets are in conflict. Remove ktextwidgets? [y/N] y
:: kcompletion-git and kcompletion are in conflict. Remove kcompletion? [y/N] y
:: sonnet-git and sonnet are in conflict. Remove sonnet? [y/N] y
:: kded-git and kded are in conflict. Remove kded? [y/N] y
:: kpackage-git and kpackage are in conflict. Remove kpackage? [y/N] y
:: kwayland-git and kwayland are in conflict. Remove kwayland? [y/N] y
:: qca-qt5-git and qca are in conflict (qca-qt5). Remove qca? [y/N] y
:: kpeoplevcard-git and kpeoplevcard are in conflict. Remove kpeoplevcard? [y/N] y
:: kpeople-git and kpeople are in conflict. Remove kpeople? [y/N] y
:: kcontacts-git and kcontacts are in conflict. Remove kcontacts? [y/N] y
:: kirigami-git and kirigami2 are in conflict. Remove kirigami2? [y/N] y
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: removing qca breaks dependency 'qca' required by kdepim-runtime
:: removing qca breaks dependency 'qca' required by kget
:: removing qca breaks dependency 'qca' required by kpmcore
:: removing qca breaks dependency 'qca' required by messagelib
:: removing qca breaks dependency 'qca' required by plasma-nm
I can't say no to removing the conflicts or it won't proceed.
Add/Remove app shows:
Resolving dependencies...
Checking inter-conflicts...
Failed to prepare transaction:
could not satisfy dependencies:
- removing kdepim-runtime breaks dependency 'kdepim-runtime' required by kmail,
- if possible, remove kmail and retry
- removing messagelib breaks dependency 'messagelib' required by mailcommon,
- if possible, remove mailcommon and retry
- removing kpmcore breaks dependency 'kpmcore' required by partitionmanager,
- if possible, remove partitionmanager and retry
Should I disable chaotic-aur repo? It was enabled by default
thanks in advance
but I am not insisting on using git packages. System is forcing them for some reason. do I have enabled repo I shouldn't have? or chaotic aur got higher priority over stock? I didn't touch priorities, don't even know where to look for it.
sudo pacman -Syu
:: Synchronising package databases...
core is up to date
extra is up to date
community is up to date
multilib is up to date
chaotic-aur is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
:: kcmutils-git and kcmutils are in conflict. Remove kcmutils? [y/N] y
:: kdeclarative-git and kdeclarative are in conflict. Remove kdeclarative? [y/N] y
:: kio-git and kio are in conflict. Remove kio? [y/N] y
:: solid-git and solid are in conflict. Remove solid? [y/N] y
:: kjobwidgets-git and kjobwidgets are in conflict. Remove kjobwidgets? [y/N] y
:: kcoreaddons-git and kcoreaddons are in conflict. Remove kcoreaddons? [y/N] y
:: kwidgetsaddons-git and kwidgetsaddons are in conflict. Remove kwidgetsaddons? [y/N] y
:: kbookmarks-git and kbookmarks are in conflict. Remove kbookmarks? [y/N] y
:: kxmlgui-git and kxmlgui are in conflict. Remove kxmlgui? [y/N] y
:: kglobalaccel-git and kglobalaccel are in conflict. Remove kglobalaccel? [y/N] y
:: kdbusaddons-git and kdbusaddons are in conflict. Remove kdbusaddons? [y/N] y
:: kconfig-git and kconfig are in conflict. Remove kconfig? [y/N] y
:: kcrash-git and kcrash are in conflict. Remove kcrash? [y/N] y
:: kwindowsystem-git and kwindowsystem are in conflict. Remove kwindowsystem? [y/N] y
:: kiconthemes-git and kiconthemes are in conflict. Remove kiconthemes? [y/N] y
:: kconfigwidgets-git and kconfigwidgets are in conflict. Remove kconfigwidgets? [y/N] y
:: kauth-git and kauth are in conflict. Remove kauth? [y/N] y
:: kcodecs-git and kcodecs are in conflict. Remove kcodecs? [y/N] y
:: kguiaddons-git and kguiaddons are in conflict. Remove kguiaddons? [y/N] y
:: ki18n-git and ki18n are in conflict. Remove ki18n? [y/N] y
:: kitemviews-git and kitemviews are in conflict. Remove kitemviews? [y/N] y
:: karchive-git and karchive are in conflict. Remove karchive? [y/N] y
:: attica-git and attica are in conflict. Remove attica? [y/N] y
:: kwallet-git and kwallet are in conflict. Remove kwallet? [y/N] y
:: knotifications-git and knotifications are in conflict. Remove knotifications? [y/N] y
:: kservice-git and kservice are in conflict. Remove kservice? [y/N] y
:: ktextwidgets-git and ktextwidgets are in conflict. Remove ktextwidgets? [y/N] y
:: kcompletion-git and kcompletion are in conflict. Remove kcompletion? [y/N] y
:: sonnet-git and sonnet are in conflict. Remove sonnet? [y/N] y
:: kded-git and kded are in conflict. Remove kded? [y/N] y
:: kpackage-git and kpackage are in conflict. Remove kpackage? [y/N] y
:: kwayland-git and kwayland are in conflict. Remove kwayland? [y/N] y
:: qca-qt5-git and qca are in conflict (qca-qt5). Remove qca? [y/N] y
:: kpeoplevcard-git and kpeoplevcard are in conflict. Remove kpeoplevcard? [y/N] y
:: kpeople-git and kpeople are in conflict. Remove kpeople? [y/N] y
:: kcontacts-git and kcontacts are in conflict. Remove kcontacts? [y/N] y
:: kirigami-git and kirigami2 are in conflict. Remove kirigami2? [y/N] y
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: removing qca breaks dependency 'qca' required by kdepim-runtime
:: removing qca breaks dependency 'qca' required by kget
:: removing qca breaks dependency 'qca' required by kpmcore
:: removing qca breaks dependency 'qca' required by messagelib
:: removing qca breaks dependency 'qca' required by plasma-nm
I wonder if its somehow possible to find out which package is causing this?
There have been improvements to our KDE-git packages in the repo yesterday so that might be related
Even though I dont understand why - the PKGBUILDs have been adjusted to fit ABS so there shouldnt be issues
This is fixed already, gotta reinstall kscreenlocker-git (its version didnt change after removing the kde file so there is no update for that file as of now). Actually you could also just use --overwrite “*” in this case.
Without that file kscreenlocker wasnt able to unlock the lockscreen properly.
We still have no evidency of why the -gits have been pulled
sudo pacman -Qs "\-git"
local/alacritty-ligatures-git 0.8.0.1772.g3ed0430-1
A cross-platform, GPU-accelerated terminal emulator(GIT VERSION)
local/ananicy-git 2.2.1.r40.ge66fa22-1
Ananicy - is Another auto nice daemon, with community rules support
local/attica-git 5.80.0_r795.g39baccb-1 (kf5-git)
Qt library that implements the Open Collaboration Services API
local/baloo-git 5.80.0_r2924.g9998bf63-1 (kf5-git)
A framework for searching and managing metadata
local/breeze-git 5.21.80_r2156.g35f8d527-1 (plasma-git)
Artwork, styles and assets for the Breeze visual style for the Plasma Desktop
local/breeze-icons-git 5.80.0_r1714.geb9fb128-1 (kf5-git)
Breeze icon themes
local/eruption-git 0.1.19-25
Linux user-mode input and LED driver for keyboards, mice and other devices
local/frameworkintegration-git 5.80.0_r570.g0f49ed3-1 (kf5-git)
Framework providing components to allow applications to integrate with a KDE Workspace
local/garuda-assistant-git r28.c3acfcc-1 (garuda-git)
A assistant app for Garuda Linux
local/garuda-boot-options-git r20.98d4ca8-1 (garuda-git)
A Boot options utility for Garuda Linux
local/garuda-gamer-git r16.83cbdb2-1 (garuda-git)
A app for Garuda Linux
local/garuda-network-assistant-git r23.918837e-1 (garuda-git)
A Boot options utility for Garuda Linux
local/garuda-settings-manager-git r24.4646d26-1
Garuda Linux System Settings Tool (manjaro settings manager ported to work with arch standards and limited to only dkms drivers)
local/garuda-settings-manager-kcm-git r24.4646d26-1
Garuda Linux System Settings Tool (KCM for Plasma 5) (manjaro settings manager ported to work with arch standards and limited to only dkms drivers)
local/garuda-settings-manager-knotifier-git r24.4646d26-1
Garuda Linux System Settings Tool (Notifier for Plasma 5) (manjaro settings manager ported to work with arch standards and limited to only dkms
drivers)
local/garuda-welcome-git r97.7b3916a-1 (garuda-git)
A Welcome app for Garuda Linux
local/gst-plugin-viper4linux-git r36.a5c1b03-2
ViPER FX core wrapper plugin for gstreamer
local/kactivities-git 5.80.0_r1331.gd5ca108-1 (kf5-git)
Core components for the KDE's Activities
local/karchive-git 5.80.0_r460.gf2c02f7-1 (kf5-git)
Qt 5 addon providing access to numerous types of archives
local/kauth-git 5.80.0_r417.gd427254-1 (kf5-git)
Abstraction to system policy and authentication features
local/kbookmarks-git 5.80.0_r391.g8cfd751-1 (kf5-git)
Support for bookmarks and the XBEL format
local/kcmutils-git 5.80.0_r483.gaab1c93-1 (kf5-git)
Utilities for interacting with KCModules
local/kcodecs-git 5.80.0_r351.g2f30820-1 (kf5-git)
Provide a collection of methods to manipulate strings using various encodings
local/kcompletion-git 5.80.0_r423.g3e14934-1 (kf5-git)
Text completion helpers and widgets
local/kconfig-git 5.80.0_r801.gd5ca63b-1 (kf5-git)
Configuration system
local/kconfigwidgets-git 5.80.0_r546.g6bb1826-1 (kf5-git)
Widgets for KConfig
local/kcontacts-git 5.80.0_r3218.g713ff23f-1 (kf5-git)
Address book API for KDE
local/kcoreaddons-git 5.80.0_r1191.g9eaa9957-1 (kf5-git)
Addons to QtCore
local/kcrash-git 5.80.0_r357.g03b8fd7-1 (kf5-git)
Support for application crash analysis and bug report from apps
local/kdbusaddons-git 5.80.0_r344.g4684bfd-1 (kf5-git)
Addons to QtDBus
local/kdeclarative-git 5.80.0_r873.gdfc9e3d-1 (kf5-git)
Provides integration of QML and KDE Frameworks
local/kdeconnect-git 21.03.70_r3147.gdc25d8ef-1 (kde-applications-git kde-network-git)
Adds communication between KDE and your smartphone
local/kdecoration-git 5.21.80_r250.g6257c39-1 (plasma-git)
Plugin based library to create window decorations
local/kded-git 5.80.0_r384.g87fe64a-1 (kf5-git)
Extensible deamon for providing system level services
local/kdnssd-git 5.80.0_r293.gfbd474a-1 (kf5-git)
Abstraction to system DNSSD features
local/kdoctools-git 5.80.0_r593.g6352583-1 (kf5-git)
Documentation generation from docbook
local/kdsoap-git 1.99.50_r1615.ga6dec7e2-1
Qt-based client-side and server-side SOAP component
local/kdsoap-ws-discovery-client-git 0_r62.gdcefb65-1
WS-Discovery client library based on KDSoap
local/kfilemetadata-git 5.80.0_r766.g5e3dcd9-1 (kf5-git)
A library for extracting file metadata
local/kglobalaccel-git 5.80.0_r419.g0e750f7-1 (kf5-git)
Add support for global workspace shortcuts
local/kguiaddons-git 5.80.0_r347.g621a2e5-1 (kf5-git)
Addons to QtGui
local/khelpcenter-git 21.03.70_r2651.g220bbd0d-1 (kde-applications-git kde-system-git)
Application to show KDE Applications' documentation
local/kholidays-git 1:5.80.0_r909.g0dfe855-1 (kf5-git)
KDE library for regional holiday information
local/khtml-git 5.80.0_r531.gfa84253-1 (kf5-aids-git)
KHTML APIs
local/ki18n-git 5.80.0_r447.g90ccb3b-1 (kf5-git)
Advanced internationalization framework
local/kiconthemes-git 5.80.0_r486.g11fd56b-1 (kf5-git)
Support for icon themes
local/kidletime-git 5.80.0_r286.g7e272f5-1 (kf5-git)
Monitoring user activity
local/kinit-git 5.80.0_r381.gdf7d2bd-1 (kf5-git)
Process launcher to speed up launching KDE applications
local/kio-extras-git 21.03.70_r6983.g5abd1e8e-1 (kde-applications-git kde-network-git)
Additional components to increase the functionality of KIO
local/kio-git 5.80.0_r4579.g33a28297-1 (kf5-git)
Resource and network access abstraction
local/kirigami-git v2.2.0.r1588.g0f11883d-1 (plasma)
A set of QML components for mobile/desktop convergent applications made by KDE
local/kitemmodels-git 5.80.0_r521.g7327fee-1 (kf5-git)
Models for Qt Model/View system
local/kitemviews-git 5.80.0_r311.g4d5caf4-1 (kf5-git)
Widget addons for Qt Model/View
local/kjobwidgets-git 5.80.0_r344.g19e4cc4-1 (kf5-git)
Widgets for tracking KJob instances
local/kjs-git 5.80.0_r314.g2c2d403-1 (kf5-aids-git)
Support for JS scripting in applications
local/kjsembed-git 5.80.0_r279.gf21c08c-1 (kf5-aids-git)
Embedded JS
local/knewstuff-git 5.80.0_r1058.g715129cf-1 (kf5-git)
Support for downloading application assets from the network
local/knotifications-git 5.80.0_r620.g36390f3-1 (kf5-git)
Abstraction for system notifications
local/knotifyconfig-git 5.80.0_r322.g783fb55-1 (kf5-git)
Configuration system for KNotify
local/kpackage-git 5.80.0_r642.gf896503-1 (kf5-git)
Framework that lets applications manage user installable packages of non-binary assets
local/kparts-git 5.80.0_r481.gca3e6d5-1 (kf5-git)
Document centric plugin system
local/kpeople-git 5.80.0_r1296.gcb96d19-1 (kf5-git)
A library that provides access to all contacts and the people who hold them
local/kpeoplevcard-git 0.1_r41.gb10c103-1
Makes it possible to expose vcards to KPeople
local/krunner-git 5.80.0_r584.g3b58e21-1 (kf5-git)
Framework for providing different actions given a string query
local/kscreenlocker-git 5.21.80.r823.g5fc9d6d-1
Library and components for secure lock screen architecture
local/kservice-git 5.80.0_r881.gf25c7d7-1 (kf5-git)
Advanced plugin and service introspection
local/ktexteditor-git 5.80.0_r2750.g69603b54-1 (kf5-git)
Advanced embeddable text editor
local/ktextwidgets-git 5.80.0_r376.ge4e0d24-1 (kf5-git)
Advanced text editing widgets
local/kwallet-git 5.80.0_r1047.g41a76c3-1 (kf5-git)
Secure and unified container for user passwords
local/kwayland-git 5.80.0_r1055.gfc4f209-1 (kf5-git)
Qt-style Client and Server library wrapper for the Wayland libraries
local/kwayland-server-git 5.21.80.r1223.g87fa37a1-1 (kf5-git)
Wayland Server Components built on KDE Frameworks
local/kwidgetsaddons-git 5.80.0_r778.g1f5e2329-1 (kf5-git)
Addons to QtWidgets
local/kwin-git 5.21.80_r19037.g7cc95d931-1 (plasma-git)
An easy to use, but flexible, composited Window Manager
local/kwindowsystem-git 5.80.0_r564.g53daf6b-1 (kf5-git)
Access to the windowing system
local/kxmlgui-git 5.80.0_r723.g23dfc4b-1 (kf5-git)
User configurable main windows
local/kxmlrpcclient-git 5.80.0_r432.g4c174da36-1 (kf5-aids-git)
XML-RPC client library for KDE
local/latte-dock-git r5127.f9e277a9-1
Latte is a dock based on plasma frameworks that provides an elegant and intuitive experience for your tasks and plasmoids
local/libbuddy-git 0.3.3.r1.g819cd6d-1
Simple library for managing iBuddy and Blync devices
local/libkscreen-git 5.21.80_r1567.g8615b0b-1 (plasma-git)
KDE screen management software
local/libksysguard-git 5.21.80_r2078.gb64edc5-1 (plasma-git)
Library to retrieve information on the current status of computer hardware
local/libqaccessibilityclient-git v0.4.0.r18.893c6b7-1
Helper library to make writing accessibility tools easier git version
local/memavaild-git 0.6.r3.g2603a8c-1
Improve responsiveness during heavy swapping: keep amount of available memory.
local/mhwd-db-garuda-git r51.3fcc25b-1
mhwd-db-garuda(manjaro's mhwd-db backported to archlinux with additional features and limited to only dkms drivers)
local/mhwd-garuda-git r19.6658e66-1
mhwd-garuda(manjaro's mhwd backported to archlinux with additional features and limited to only dkms drivers)
local/milou-git 5.21.80_r731.g137b4ae-1 (plasma-git)
A dedicated search application built on top of Baloo
local/modemmanager-qt-git 5.80.0_r490.g328a5f4-1 (kf5-git)
Qt wrapper for ModemManager DBus API
local/networkmanager-qt-git 5.80.0_r1082.g7a633d8-1 (kf5-git)
Qt wrapper for NetworkManager API
local/nohang-git 0.2.0.r7.gb025479-1
A sophisticated low memory handler
local/plasma-framework-git 5.80.0_r15762.gf33d8b795-1 (kf5-git)
Plasma library and runtime components based upon KF5 and Qt5
local/plasma-nm-git 5.21.80.r3019.ge0b2eea7-1 (plasma-git)
Plasma applet written in QML for managing network connections
local/plasma-workspace-git 5.21.80.r9890.g2c758a1ad-1 (plasma)
KDE Plasma Workspace
local/plymouth-git 0.9.5.r38.g8c249a4-1
A graphical boot splash screen with kernel mode-setting support (Development version)
local/prelockd-git 0.9.r3.g72c7131-1
prelockd is a daemon that locks memory mapped binaries and libraries in memory to improve system responsiveness under low-memory conditions.
local/prison-git 5.80.0_r299.ge2d0c4c-1 (kf5-git)
A barcode API to produce QRCode barcodes and DataMatrix barcodes
local/python-usbtmc-git 0.8.r18.gd9bfb20-1
A Python USBTMC driver for controlling instruments over USB.
local/qca-qt5-git v2.3.2.3.gecdd0538-1
Qt Cryptographic Architecture. Qt5 Build (GIT Version)
local/solid-git 5.80.0_r647.gf8d6ab4-1 (kf5-git)
Hardware integration and detection
local/sonnet-git 5.80.0_r592.gd6d4e94-1 (kf5-git)
Spelling framework for Qt5
local/starship-git 0.50.0.1424.g7385dc27-1
The cross-shell prompt for astronauts
local/syntax-highlighting-git 5.80.0_r1521.gba797384-1 (kf5-git)
Syntax highlighting engine for structured text and code
local/threadweaver-git 5.80.0_r480.ge7c4d60-1 (kf5-git)
High-level multithreading framework
local/viper4linux-git 1:r16.7577724-1
Implementation of the libviper library for modern Linux desktops.
Am I the only one experiencing such issues with upgrades?
It is obvious you already have git versions, but what is weird is that you seem to also have non-git versions.
You have done something really wrong, or some ghost is in your place
Inspect your pacman.log to see what and when has happened.
For example, post:
