Don’t worry man I can appreciate humor in all forms. 
Atleast I believe so.
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Whaa…(he asks, groping for a light switch)…?
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Well most people simply say I have a “sick” sense of humor, and that’s not “sick” in the way my kids used that word as teenagers. Some people just have no appreciation.
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Hah! You think you’re “sick?” I run a risk of getting booted from this forum on a daily basis because not everyone can see the canted-eyed grin every time I yank somebody’s chain. Even if I just got up and neither coffee, morning meds, nor weed has kicked in yet. I’m still smiling 'cause it hurts too much not to.
If your “sick” brand of humor means learning to roll with the punches, then the world could use more of it. I’ve never seen it to be sarcastic–meaning “to tear flesh”–someone else’s–but more self-deprecating. “Half-full of urine”…LOLOLOL. 
Life is too short not to smile at it.
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Ya well, that’s kind of the downside of being a moderator. You can’t exactly go around tearing out a second bunghole on all the users that excel at rubbing you the wrong way.
+ = 
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To be perfectly honest, IMO this entire thread is a total waste of Garuda forum support time. The official Garuda position on multi-booting is that it is unsupported by Garuda. This is not because multi-booting is unworkable with Garuda, far from it.
Like most Linux distros, if configured properly Garuda works just fine in a multi-boot scenario. The main caveat being, a multi-boot system is only as reliable as the person administrating the system. We really expect that if you are planning to multi-boot with Garuda you should be a competent long time Linux user with many years of multi-boot experience under your belt.
This is not to say a complete Linux newbie is incapable of setting up and managing a multi-boot environment properly because it’s certainly possible. However there is a steep learning curve, and a multi-boot environment is easily broken upon updating any of the OS’s present on the system. At this point (after wasting days of Garuda support time) the frustrated newbie often declares they’re going back to Windows/Ubuntu because Garuda is too unreliable.
With the small size of the Garuda support team we cannot justify the support effort required for something that is essentially not a Garuda issue. We have limited support resources, and multi-boot support threads are like a huge sucking black hole for support time. Multi-boot support issues can be extremely complicated and they waste an inordinate amount of our limited support resources.
If a competent/experienced Garuda user outside the current official Garuda team wanted to take on the responsibility of attending to all the multi-boot support requests then perhaps Garuda’s position would change. Unfortunately, as things stand most support for multi-boot issues still falls on the current Garuda team, (even though this is not our responsibility). Over saturation/burnout of support members is the number one reason for volunteers dropping out of any project. It is their own eagerness to help/support others that is these volunteers undoing. Burnout needs to be carefully managed with such a small team. Therefore, we need to focus our limited support resources on actual Garuda issues.
Multi-booting is not a Garuda issue, and perhaps you need to rethink if it is fair to foist support for such an outdated OS (Windows 7) and hardware onto the small unpaid Garuda support team.
I try not to be too draconian as a moderator, but (fair notice) I may end up locking this support thread if it drags on too much longer.
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After reading this topic I had a headache - and the same thoughts as you.
I thought for a long time whether I should even answer something…
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Almost none of the issues in the forum have anything to do with Garuda Linux. Maybe we should just shut the forum down and everyone can figure out their problems for themselves. 
All of the help here is on a completely voluntary, best-effort basis. No one is under any obligation to provide support of any kind. If anyone doesn’t want to troubleshoot multiboot issues, or any other kind of issue, they are welcome to spend their time in other topics.
There is no reason to patronize people because they have Windows 7 installed, or have an old computer, or whatever. Saying nothing at all is less antagonistic and just as helpful, so do that instead.
Personally I’d rather troubleshoot a multiboot issue than another Nvidia issue any day of the week.
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My post was not directed against old hardware, Windows 7 or you. And yes, I agree with you on all points, so please don’t get me wrong. And you know that I respect your patience. But the OP is consciously or unconsciously dragging the whole thing out, the whole thing is like chewing gum
You made my day
I love you @BluishHumility 
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VERY WELL SAID.
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Not trying to pick a fight or be demeaning towards anyone @BluishHumility. However, there is one big difference with all the other non-related issues that are often dealt with on the Garuda forum. That major difference is that those other help requests are at least requests for assistance with a Linux related issue.
Assistance with Windows related issues is not our job IMO. If you feel you want to run a commercial OS such as Windows, that’s your business. Just don’t expect those that have put the Windows world behind them to bend over backwards to help you run Windows. If you want to run Windows so badly ask how to dual boot Linux on a Windows forum and see what happens. Microsoft’s response would be to tell you to install the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL). So I guess we should give a similar response to be equally fair. You can use Wine or install Windows in a VM if you absolutely need to run Windows apps or games.
I mean fair is fair, right. 
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Whether or not an issue is related to Linux has no bearing on whether an issue makes an appropriate topic in our forum. If someone had an issue updating their Ubuntu system, this would not be the appropriate forum. If someone needed advice for making a change to their Nix config, this would not be the appropriate forum. Just being Linux-related doesn’t impart some special relevance to the topics raised here.
Additionally, not all the issues or advice handled in our forum is Linux-related. If someone’s monitor isn’t working and the solution is to use a different cable, should we bin that thread because it’s not related to Linux in any way?
Besides, the original issue was caused by Linux tools. They ran the Calamares installer from Garuda’s live environment, it attempted to install Grub, and the existing boot records on the MBR were damaged. Whether or not they made a mistake or used the tools badly is irrelevant. We have all made mistakes we needed help fixing before. Having Windows installed shouldn’t change whether someone is entitled to have an issue open in the forum or not.
Who cares if their hardware or software configuration is technically supported or not? Garuda Linux isn’t on the line for this issue. This is not some paid support channel with an SLA or something. If people can help, they help and if they can’t then they don’t–that’s pretty much as far as the story goes. I mean, scroll back through the past week of forum posts and look for yourself: there are at least six or seven topics where someone with Garuda Linux installed who followed the template and blah blah blah did not get a single reply on their Linux-related issue. So…do they get their money back? Oh wait…
Somebody asked our community for help–not demanded, not threatened, simply asked for help–because they tried to run the Garuda Linux installer and something went wrong. That seems unreasonable to you? I mean, where would be a more appopriate place to ask for help? Like you said yourself, it’s not like there is some useful Windows forum to turn to. Besides, this is all just best-effort, volunteer-driven support. If someone is able to help them fix their issue, regardless of what else they have installed on their computer, then I would hope it is in the spirit of this community to provide whatever assistance we can. And if no one is able to help, we could at least have the decency to not chase them out the door with pitchforks because they are keeping a fifteen-year-old Windows installation going.
Telling people who need help to go pound sand because they have Windows installed is just gatekeeping, and negatively affects the way people perceive the Garuda community.
I’m moving the tangential discussion to #off-topic.
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Again not to be demeaning towards the users hardware…
but you know as well as I do that Garuda was not intended to be run on hardware this old. Users with plenty of experience can detune their Garuda install to be more responsive, but then you’re really not going to have all the bells and whistles that make Garuda, well Garuda.
If a user wishes to do that, they certainly can do so. However, does it then become our job to provide instructions on how to detune/deconstruct a Garuda install so that outdated hardware can run Garuda? We went through this type of argument with new users on the forum over minimum hardware standards and the btrfs file system when the distro first began. At that time the Garuda team decided that the devs are entitled to determine the specifications for the distro they created. It was therefore decided to hard code the devs direction for the distro into the Calamares installer. Voila, no more arguments over users wanting to run Garuda minus the btrfs file system on an i386 computer.
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Personally, I’m offended by this whole discussion. It doesn’t appear to fit this category very well. 
Well I wouldn’t say that. First of all the post wasn’t expressly about dual-booting, although the thread did stray into my use-case yes. The core of the issue though was a seemingly changed boot variable on my NVRAM after I had installed Garuda, and it not changing back after I got rid of Garuda. If this did turn out to be an oversight on the part of the Garuda install process, then awareness of it would only contribute to making it better.
I can understand your policies, your resources are limited - but as food for thought, I would like to posit that it’s really not such a bad thing to have a forum section full of resolved troubleshooting episodes from your users, even if it sometimes strays outside of strictly Garuda territory and into concrete use-cases. Before I finally made a post here, I had gone through a number of threads already, but unfortunately there didn’t seem to be anyone with the same issues. Now there is such a thread, for the next sucka who comes along.
All of you are putting a lot of your free time into Garuda, and no doubt you want this distribution to succeed. An active community and record of all these resolved issues only contributes to that. I personally would be scared to install an OS that didn’t have a large troubleshooting section.
You are all doing excellent work. Now that I spent 2 weeks getting Garuda working on my admittedly non-standard setup, I haven’t been disappointed, this is indeed a high-performance and easy to use, out of the box distribution based on Arch.
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Perhaps we should hard code the use of the Reiser file system so you aren’t so offended Bro. 
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I never said I didn’t like Hans Reiser–and I did run his FS–you know, until.
Who’s the genius behind BTRFS and what’ll we do when they slay spouses? Unstable FS creators create stable FS’? Really?
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Hope you had a nice time with your family over the holidays. Sorry to hear about your cat. Hopefully 2024 will be good year for you and yours. Cheers Bro.
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I’d make a template. Here is an example:
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Do not install Windows and Linux (Garuda) on the same drive!
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Do not install the bootloaders on the same drive (windows boot partition and linux boot partition) ever!
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When you install Garuda, don’t mess with custom partitioning like separate root and home folder. Use the default - Erase the drive and use entire drive for OS!
People are lead by mainstream guides to do unwise stuff like:
- install Linux & Windows on the same drive which is extremely unreliable solution.
- split up filesystem by / (root) /home etc.
Basically I do not rec. splitting up the filesystems because if you have any partition errors your system might be messed up…
Another common issue with separate home and root is: How do you know how much root and home do you need? Now you need to figure out how big on or the other needs to be. Its just unneeded effort… The backup proofing isn’t accurate. You can just copy paste your home folder/ or folders into backup drive. Extra partition for home is not practical, which the common How to guides advertise.
A good Linux teacher should emphasize in their guide - one ought to read a book on Linux. Get a good enough understanding of the system you are using. ~Use up couple of hours of your time and learn something new + become good at administering your system.
I have been on linux for a Decade and all I do is the simplest form of installation with any linux distro. Option: Erase drive and install OS using entire drive.
Even if I dont need entire drive, I want the OS to be installed as the creators intended! I don’t want to mess up any filesystems, swap spaces. While the basics are easy, You might not know how the maintainers pre-configured the os and what the optimal settings are!
Do the right thing. Don’t dual boot on the same drive and do not mess with partitions while installing linux. Choose the defaults, because 9 times out of 10 its going to be better and more stable for you.
Cheers!
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Since dual boot - Windows/Garuda Linux is not supported in the forum, you could point out to users that Windows itself provides instructions. How to download and install Linux | Microsoft Learn
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