Off Topic Chit Chat - (Silliness factor 5)

[Duke187]

Hey and Welcome,

i should think this is not a fair speech about Linux or their Distros at all. Every Distro have pro and cons. The main differences is what you want to have or need on a Distro? I use both by the way a Debian based Parrot OS for Coding and stuff that need to be stable and tested and a Garuda Archbased for my other stuff and Gaming. Gaming works on Debian too but with newer Games its harder to get it running or solve their issues with not up to date packages

Just a short overview

Also in the Linux World others Distro like Fedora , Gentoo or OpenSuse and many more i was Distro hopping many Years but i am tired of it now and choose Garuda also because i like the Name and Look of it.

[Seimus]

@paris-29

over $hitty Deabian Based Linux Distros

I don’t agree, Debian is far from being this. Debian has its place, as above showed by Duke. Debian is perfect for servers and services stability without need of tinkering much as on Arch or other distros. There are people who prefer even Debian for gaming, reason? Older hardware and want more stable system.

I am using Garuda, cause I like Arch on personal PCs, and cause I want to see and have the latest features and improvements. Also Garuda is cool and a Arch deployment without hassle.

[Apocalypticus]

Why Garuda?

Sorry, but I would like to go into a little more detail.

My first distribution was SuSE Linux 4.0 in 1994, and I remember it took me two days to get sound to work. Those were the days, when Windows was always in the foreground because you wanted to play games, too.

Around 2010, I more or less banished Windows. I still used it in dual boot for gaming, but as Linux became more functional, I moved more and more of my productivity tasks to Arch Linux. Distro hopping was my biggest hobby, with the exception of Manjaro OpenRC with OpenBox as WM. It was simply the perfect system, and I used it for at least two years straight. Until it was unfortunately discontinued.

Actually I don’t like systemd and until a few months ago, I steadfastly refused to use it. There is still a systemd-free computer in this house with FreeBSD, antiX, and PCLinuxOS. However, the options for systemd-free distributions have dwindled in the meantime, and the effort required for a smoothly functioning system is increasing for both maintainers and users. Additionally I’m getting older and don’t have the energy to constantly fiddle around. What used to be fun for me is now often annoying. I just want the box to run smoothly so I can get things done without having to tinker.

Now, back to the initial question: Why Garuda?

I have always avoided Debian-based distributions, but Arch has always fascinated me. The exception is a RasPi on which Pihole runs on a headless Raspberry Pi OS. It’s extremely problem-free. I update it once a week and reboot it via SSH, and that’s it. That’s all I have to do.
Rest assured, there’s hardly a distribution on this planet that hasn’t found its way onto at least one of my systems. I also have no problem installing and setting up Arch Linux using the console.
Perhaps I am doing other distributions an injustice. There are many great systems out there, and I don’t want to mention any by name here, lest I do more injustice to those not mentioned.

Garuda is boring. It has already been mentioned in this forum. You simply have nothing to do with it or tinker with because it works by itself. Of all the distributions, Garuda offers me the best overall experience. Design, tools, functionality, community, and last but not least the team behind it make this distro unique for me.

[gacuxz]

• Software support - you can find almost anything in chaotic-aur or aur repositories.
• Kernel - latest kernel version, by default including optimizations for bleading-edge hardware in linux-zen kernel version (possibly: better CPU scheduler, latency, realtime performance, etc.).
• Rolling release update model - after using this distro for more than two years, I still have the latest version just by updating it once a week with no additional upgrade tasks.
• Support for Wayland, which is possibly faster and the future in comparison of X11
• BTRFS file system with Snapper tools incorporated inside GRUB - you can easily restore from a snapshot if something goes wrong.

[SGS]

Please no slang spellings and no denigration of other Linux distributions here in the forum.

Thanks.

[tbg]

@SGS

no denigration of other Linux distributions here in the forum.

This bears repeating ^^^

Please do not disparage other distros on the Garuda forum.

Every developer in the Linux ecosphere pours their heart and soul into their distro, with little to no return for all their hard work. Please treat other distros respectfully here as trash talking other distros on our forum is unappreciated.

[IUSELINUX]

Damn! New design had me for a second.
I thought Google bought Discourse or something (that’s not an insult btw, I love these kinda designs! )

[elite]

Soon TM

[appu]

I think plasma 6 is ugly … plasma 5 has more customaization freedom

[IUSELINUX]

Even I think Plasma is not that easily customisable. XFCE is better I’d say!
I’m just using kde for some time, I keep changing my DE when I get bored
Next stop: Cosmic, whenever that’ll be!

[zoeruda]

I somewhat agree with this sentiment. Plasma 5 had achieved a great level of polish and the 6 series, especially the first few releases, felt like they lost some of that in favor of new features, the underlying qt migration, and a simpler design philosophy that made it look almost too clean, and somewhat paperlike, non-interactive. I still love my old laptop running Debian 12 with Plasma 5.27, everything is more compact and responsive. It’s pretty cool that we can have different streams of software and that distros can choose to maintain a previous version of a DE or even resurrect DEs…

[elite]

@dr460nf1r3

I use distrobox_git from Nyx, works perfectly. It allows working on Rani from within Nix perfectly fine hehe.

You don’t get weird permission issues? I haven’t tried git yet so i’ll give it a shot today.

[dr460nf1r3]

@elite

You don’t get weird permission issues? I

No, unless running in Vscode terminal, this one seems to have very weird restrictions in place.

[elite]

interesting ill see what happens

[elite]

@Colin

Linux is supposed to be all about choice and freedom, right? Or are those just nice-sounding slogans that don’t quite hold up in practice?

I think prior to when companies around the globe used linux as a back end, the slogan might have held true. But now days the ones fitting the bill for development are not average users like you or me. As long as they want or don’t mind the change downstream just has to make due or come together and make something an actually maintain what they want.
The same thing has been happening with systemd with it being more hard coded in gnome at least coming up. Even now while you can use alts none of them have caught on in a big way to say that we truly have more then one option. To much is dependent on one so you always have to play catch up and money wise that’s not viable for volunteers. Pipewire is also following this trend.

I would go as far as to say linux at its core is not made for average consumers as theirs no money coming in that can make it a viable target.

But thats just my take on it.

As for xlib had it come about 10 years ago it might have had a better chance and with less drama and proper working nvidia support. Be cause other then accessibility and nvidia it’s kinda lost a real reason for existing an the main thing its needs is some DE that want to support it. with out that the only users that can make use of it are people that are extremely tech savvy since its not purely a 1:1 replacement.
At least i feel it needs some more time to mature be fore anyone should even be looking at hosting it. Other then again those smart enough to know what they are doing.

[tbg]

I have been considering installing Xlibre lately, I’ve just been waiting for some feedback from actual users before jumping in headfirst.

I agree it’s a longshot that Xlibre will survive and thrive with Linux behemoths like Red Hat actively trying to stomp it out of existence. We all know that “he that pays the piper calls the tune” and Red Hat has deep pockets. With Red Hat’s development dollars behind many projects it’s pretty much “their way, or the highway” when it comes to devs and the work they focus on in the Linux world.

I was dreading what would happen when a MegaCorp like IBM got their fingers deep into the workings of free software projects. Now it appears my fears were well justified. Just ask those that used to rely on CentOS for their server needs.

While Linux may be far more functional because of the cash injections of big corporations, Linux is slowly becoming a lot more like why most of us left the Windows world in the first place. Freedom of choice is definitely not one of Linux’s main pursuits anymore, and sadly it is likely to only get far worse as more big money players get into the Linux game.

I’m glad I’m old enough to have had the opportunity to enjoy Linux for many years. At least I got the chance to enjoy the freedom before the big money corporations get a chance to twist Linux into another M$ clone.

Neil Young said it best:

“They give you this, but you pay for that”

[Seimus]

You hit a lot good points, and I mostly have the same view. I didn’t liked when IBM bought RH, I think anybody with 5 brain cells immediately knew IBM will F RH in regards of consumer space. The same we can clearly see with VMware, Plex, etc.

However I do not see it so negative.
Yes BigTech or Corpos sneak into Opensource projects to gain full control, and I am that mind such BIG companies should NOT have any control directly about anything that is opensourced.

But lets not forget this is Linux we are speaking about, new forks or projects can bloom anytime. And as long Linux kernel development is not locked behind some MS sized company there is still freedom of choice and creativity.

[Yada]

Your insight has changed how I view software now. I was all happy with wayland but now I think I might rethink everything.

[tbg]

I have no real philosophical issue with Wayland, if it works for you that’s great. However, if you rely on any legacy software that will never be made compatible with Wayland, then you’re going to be SOL before too long the way things are going. As the Wayland adoption rate creeps ever upwards, the big Wayland backers will be looking to bury X long before its official end of support.

I will personally be surprised if we get a couple more years of life from X11, as the big money backers of Wayland seem bound and determined to eradicate X11 ASAP.

[elite]

For KDE you at least have them not moving tell most if not all this list here is done Requirements for dropping Xorg support (#202) · Issues · Plasma / KWin · GitLab and what they want at least from what i see there is a good list. not every single thing is covered but yeah. theres is also this list for anyone who wants to see. They cant fix the upstream stuff but they can push for it. Plasma/Wayland Known Significant Issues - KDE Community Wiki

On the gnome side well it’s as you would expect from a group that thinks they are big enough to kill the system tray. They say some nonsens that should just be left out at the end. X11 Session Removal FAQ – Rust in Peace stuff like that would make me drop the project. I just find it rude to all parties and tone def.

“I personally really don’t like the project and find it as the worst part of linux that I am forced to deal with. But that’s just my point of view”

This resent convo here Making sure you're not a bot! with Sebastian Wick butting in. Makes me as some one who would have to get a protocol made for accessibility makes me never want to deal with them an deal with apple. There are some others in this issue alone that make me want to retract any linux funding going forward. I just don’t have the time to deal with grown kids that are older then I am. The kernel too.

Then you have Garuda where it’s a joy to want to support the project. Good people and a pleasant environment.

I’d like to say the same for kde but they have a few bad eggs but they at least read and understand the point your trying to say.