Yes they use grub and yes I converted. Just like it better. If I can get it in the boot menu I don't care if it is conditional or not. I am too lazy to hit boot key when starting up. I am too old to move so fast for these new computers.
Thanks for the help
And Dalto thanks for all of your post on systemd. Only reason I was successful with installing.
(still not positive what Kernel-install-with dracut does) but kernel-install worked beautifully!