This seems to depend on the maintainer as to what is included in each DE.
For i3wm, I added pacseek and did not remove pamac. Octopi was and is not included.
I don't think anyone is saying octopi is not good, any additional GUI just increases the risk of a working existing CLI function being executed incorrectly. As seen with pamac.
Also, pamac is not bad per se, I like to use it occasionally, but just not for installing software.
you mean like in Pamac using the arrow in the bottom right corner to be taken to the screen that gives you a verbose view, or clicking run in terminal in Octopi? I’m sure other GUI based app installers / updaters do the same.
@Tech49 I'm sure there is, but to be honest I'd just use your preferred search engine and see what you can find. I only learned the various features of pamac and octopi by going through all of their settings.