Pacman vs - {where to put python libraries}

Hi, i’v been noisy for a while in here, and I appreciate the :heart: I also never know where to post things so feel free to recategorize them.

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Case Scenario

  1. I want to use pacman to install some cli tools written in python.
  2. I don’t want these specific apps and their depandancies to be installed in the system wide python environment but instead into a virtual environment I have created for certain applications.
  3. I know I will have to activate the virtual environment each time i want to use this apps , but thats how I want it.
    How can I achieve this? Is it even possible
    N.b I have an alias → activate to always activate my specific python storage location for “trash libraries”
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Why not just directly use pipx to download these cli tools? Won’t it do exactly what you want?

I would use pipx
edit: @NaN was faster :smiley:

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Kinda having this .desktop entries automatically generated or me is a time saver

It’s not as if the .desktop files are ever going to be overwritten. You can just visit these packages in arch repo or aur where ever they are and just view the repo to download/copy the .desktop file. Even tweak it if you want.

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Ok, so I have archstrike & blackarch repos installed.
P.s I know – am sorry

And as much as they are both a piece of work in screwing up with dependencies. They contain packages I can download and uninstall easily whenever I want to.
Sadly this also end up screwing with my system libraries – I think

I want to Isolate their packages from my system packages. But I also want to use them.

Other Notes that might show you why I need them

I use jgmenu - it helps with my short term memory, to remember what I installed.

pacman -Sgg | grep package

does the same thing, but is slower to me

You can install some of the famous libraries of python like pandas library thorugh pacman
like this :

sudo pacman -S python-<pkaganme>

for example for pandas

sudo pacman -S python-pandas 

many of important pip packages are provided by pacman but not all
And can’t say about CLI things
(And IDK even this thing will help :sweat_smile: )

As you might have noticed above, I have included repos that may be considered an Omen. And even more likely get me shamed here. And for that I am sorry.

They are bad at using latest dependencies. And so, while one might be using say requests3.1 the other 2.2

Do you think there is possibly no way to achieve this, and I will have to write a script to sort this mess out resorting to pipx?

Meaning NaNs solution should be the solution?

Well jgmenu doesn’t seem to have any .desktop files from what I can see.

It’s build instructions are only executing the package provided configuration script.

why do you feel that you can’t launch/use the program from terminal given this is a cli program when it wouldn’t have a .desktop file?

Terminal doesn’t read .desktop files anyway.

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I would just say to use things like docker, put one app on one docker container, other on another docker container if they are not expected to be interacting with each other in such a way that they are installed in a single OS :eyes:

I can’t think of any other way to achieve something like this , in which you need specific version for specific proogramm

I kinda have short term memory loss, maybe even longterm.
Its hard to explain but I use it to remember stuff. I use wofi always though.
I think this picture will help you understand why I need it

Sorry. I couldnt get a precise screenshot

It is a viable solution. The only problem is it would be nice if pacman handled everything.

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From the jgmenu image, you can see… I use jgmenu to remember where stuff should be. What games I have installed. Probably why it will be harder for me to switch from xorg to wayland easily

I think I will just resort to docker for this things that screw up my system.
I will uninstall this things today :smiling_face_with_tear:

I also think when installing [garuda-blackarch], there should be a large warning in red

This thing does not play nice with other libraries

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