And you must check which GPU is in use. Laptop’s with two GPU are not my World
It got frozen on both Integrated, Dedicated and Hybryd…
Was there not a longstanding skylake freezing issue. I thought it was resolved though? Special kernel parameters might address your issue. I’m not a laptop guy, so someone else would need to offer more substantive suggestions.
There 's not really very much dedicated RAM to begin with. Ideally, this should be at least 4 Gb minimum. Is this a correct reading?
Yea, but you see… I also tried for example Lubuntu which is like on of the most basic distros out there. Initially I wanted Manjaro but then I got in love with Garuda.
There is no OS out there as beautiful as Garuda KDE Dragonized. I also like Xfce but there are computers with no dedicated GPU and they can run Linux and I think also Garuda.
I do have 8 GB of normal RAM though.
Before this thought quietly drifts away from us, what is the output of sudo dmidecode -t 17
?
The differences between Linux and Windows is especially pronounced with how they handle hardware. A lot of hardware support is baked in to the Linux kernel, for example, while Windows tends to apply firmware in layers closer to the top of the stack.
In addition to this, Windows puts a lot of development effort into hiding the workings of the OS away from the end user. In a way, the goal is for people to be able to sit down at their computer and do whatever their thing is without having to fix or even be aware of stuff that isn’t working correctly.
To this end, at times imperfect hardware can sometimes continue to function on Windows because there is a significant amount of software padding. Perhaps an integrated program kicks in to dynamically adjust ethernet auto-negotiation if a cable has a few faulty pins, or in the case we have here there might be an under-the-hood routine that has some way to quietly deal with a couple mismatched RAM sticks firing off at different cadences.
While this is a great contributor to how bloated and impossible to keep track of the Windows stack is on any given installation, it also allows for much more haphazard plug-and-play options. Plug in any monitors you like on Windows and they will probably work–there might be a giant sloppy mess of software that gets downloaded quietly in the background to do it, but it will probably work.
All that to say:
Not to mention that many drivers were never designed for Linux, many have simply been hacked (reverse engineered) to allow hardware unsupported by the manufacturer to work with Linux.
While I'm not a Manjaro fan boy at all, both it, and Ubuntu in my experience work on basically everything. They do a very good job making sure their products are usable on a huge amount of hardware.
I would also bet dollars to donuts - you've got a bad/improperly installed stick of RAM. It wouldn't be too hard to remove/test/reinstall/test. It could save a number of folks a lot of time.
The other side of that - try another USB as well. And if you have access to another HDD/SSD or whatever you may want to try there. I had I think Mint once when installing tell me my disk was dieing and wouldn't install but Windows was no problem.
But if nothing can be installed, something hardware is your issue. RAM makes the most sense and is easiest to test.
I’ve had problems with freezes that I traced to an old spinner drive in the past. it even passed all smart tests, but would cause freezes on kernels above 4.14 (using different default schedulers).
This laptop will be used in the most conservative way - social media, browsing and watching movies. Nothing fancy, I don’t play video games (I know, right?!). With very few software.
So… (while I don’t exclude it completely) I think it is extremely unlikely since memtest86 runs in DOS/BIOS - so it cannot be tricked by windows. - It was perfect - green pass - absolutely no error. For example MX Linux has this software at the beginning, included in their Grub.
The SSD is Kingstone 97% good condition checked with Crystal Disk
What I think I should do, before blaming the hardware for good:
Yes I will come back with the info from it.
In the meantime, what do you guys think about these steps?
- Changing from UEFI to Legacy
- Switch off Secure Boot and disable Fast Boot if there.
- Looking in BIOS for “SATA Controller” settings. If set to Raid or IDE, I’ll change it to AHCI, save the settings, reboot and will try to reinstall Garuda KDE. If SATA Controller is set to AHCI, I can give it a shot with IDE you can try to change to IDE.
- Installing manually Nvidia Graphics from LINUX X64 (AMD64/EM64T) DISPLAY DRIVER (Release Date: 2022.2.1) by clicking the .run or maybe you know some Konsole Command to run it like that?
I don’t know how to open computers/laptops, actually this model is very hard to open and I won’t do this since I might actually break it.
What do you guys think of this?
Keep it in UEFI mode
Correct turn them off
Set it to AHCI mode
Got it, I only have AHCI, secured boot is off and I will use then only UEFI.
Before this thought quietly drifts away from us, what is the output of
sudo dmidecode -t 17
?
garuda@garuda in ~ as 🧙
λ sudo dmidecode -t 17
# dmidecode 3.3
Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs.
SMBIOS 3.0.0 present.
Handle 0x0017, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0016
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Total Width: 64 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 4 GB
Form Factor: SODIMM
Set: None
Locator: ChannelA-DIMM0
Bank Locator: BANK 0
Type: DDR4
Type Detail: Synchronous
Speed: 2133 MT/s
Manufacturer: Micron
Serial Number: 00000000
Asset Tag: 9876543210
Part Number: 8ATF51264HZ-2G3B1
Rank: 1
Configured Memory Speed: 2133 MT/s
Minimum Voltage: Unknown
Maximum Voltage: Unknown
Configured Voltage: 1.2 V
Handle 0x0018, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0016
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Total Width: Unknown
Data Width: Unknown
Size: No Module Installed
Form Factor: Unknown
Set: None
Locator: ChannelA-DIMM1
Bank Locator: BANK 1
Type: Unknown
Type Detail: None
Speed: Unknown
Manufacturer: Not Specified
Serial Number: Not Specified
Asset Tag: Not Specified
Part Number: Not Specified
Rank: Unknown
Configured Memory Speed: Unknown
Minimum Voltage: Unknown
Maximum Voltage: Unknown
Configured Voltage: Unknown
Handle 0x0019, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0016
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Total Width: 64 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 4 GB
Form Factor: SODIMM
Set: None
Locator: ChannelB-DIMM0
Bank Locator: BANK 2
Type: DDR4
Type Detail: Synchronous
Speed: 2133 MT/s
Manufacturer: 1302
Serial Number: 00000000
Asset Tag: 9876543210
Part Number: PSD44G213381S
Rank: 1
Configured Memory Speed: 2133 MT/s
Minimum Voltage: Unknown
Maximum Voltage: Unknown
Configured Voltage: 1.2 V
Handle 0x001A, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0016
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Total Width: Unknown
Data Width: Unknown
Size: No Module Installed
Form Factor: Unknown
Set: None
Locator: ChannelB-DIMM1
Bank Locator: BANK 3
Type: Unknown
Type Detail: None
Speed: Unknown
Manufacturer: Not Specified
Serial Number: Not Specified
Asset Tag: Not Specified
Part Number: Not Specified
Rank: Unknown
Configured Memory Speed: Unknown
Minimum Voltage: Unknown
Maximum Voltage: Unknown
Configured Voltage: Unknown
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Special kernel parameters might address your issue.
Perhaps try testing the following kernel parameters (individually):
pcie_aspm=off
pci=nommconf
pci=nomsi
pci=noaer
Check your logs to see if your flood of errors is corrected after testing each parameter.
The inxi output you posted earlier listed both your network adapters as down. Are you using wifi or ethernet when these freezes occur? If you are using your wifi adapter, switch to using ethernet to see if the freezes still happen.
Also be sure to test the linux-lts
and linux-mainline
kernels.
I just checked and your bios is outdated. In cases where lockups are occurring updating the bios is extremely important.
There is no OS out there as beautiful as Garuda KDE Dragonized
If this is your sole problem, buy a newer, better computer. Manufacturers turn out a lot of Windows-only cheap hardware.
Here’s my take:
Quality is like buying oats.
If you want a clean, fresh product then you must pay a fair price.
However, if you will settle for something that has been through the horse once or twice,
Why, then you can get it a bit cheaper.
That was on the office wall of the lumberyard I worked at as a kid. The same thing applies to computers, as well. There are many people in this world that can only afford what they have, regardless of how old or inexpensive a build it is. That is just a fact of life. But here’s another one:
“You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.”
What makes Garuda “beautiful” is simply window-dressing that you can imitate in just about any Linux distribution, I would think. All that it amounts to is one theme, one icon set, and one dock. I mean it-- that is it! ( not counting configuration)
Your hardware can undoubtably handle that. But what you cannot imitate is Garuda. Not the heart. Not its essence. I mean all of that stuff the developers have worked so hard at (and it is ever ongoing) that makes Garuda what Garuda is under the hood. You just cannot imitate them and their love of Linux, their creativity, and every part of their souls that have gone into this Project. That is what makes Garuda what it is.
And all you seem to think is that it is pretty.
If you want to dance with Garuda, you need to bring a better partner to the dance.
(I am getting so jaded.)
I just checked and your bios is outdated.
No it’s actually 309 now. Lastest one.
I gave it one try with Linux Mint (because my friend told me it’s the most stable one) and it worked for a couple of hours and then it froze again. Linux Mint was on Kernel 5.4 with support until April 2025.
So this is hardware problem not kernel or anything else. I am not going to open it up, it’s a complicated model anyway.
I give up for this laptop (at least for now) and I will keep it on windows until 2025, then maybe I will give try it again.
Thanks for the help and remember that this was not in vain. Meanwhile I am planning for dual boot on my modern PC.
And all you seem to think is that it is pretty.
If you want to dance with Garuda, you need to bring a better partner to the dance.
(I am getting so jaded.
The unneeded arrogance… This is just a laptop. I have a very nice and performant stationary PC on which I am going to install Garuda. I am new to Linux, don’t be so harsh.
But I think I am going to go with Xfce, seems to be more stable than KDE Dragonized and also easier to use. I don’t know why after updating KDE it was still not as fast as in Live or Virtual Box. It told me system monitor has fallen back to software rendering because hardware acceleration is not avalaible, please check your hardware graphics.
I like Garuda for it’s style, performance, especially the ZRAM technology.
Good luck, and see ya around soon hopefully.
I stand by my statement, every single word of it.
I'll meet you at high noon with holstered celery sticks. We'll see who's left standing.
I have no pity for newcomers who stress their newness as an excuse. I really do believe that. The gentleman who years ago took his own personal time to act as my direct mentor, hours at a time in my apartment. Plenty of patience; no friggen pity. If I wanted it--to learn Linux--I had to put in the countless hours of documentation research and trial-and-error experimentation. There are many, many people around Linux longer than me, and many, many who are fortunate to actually receive a classical education UNIX or Linux in high school or college (UNIX), nowadays. There were no such things when I started, just when Linux had achieved stable kernel 1.0. And most of the available documentation was very skimpy and more UNIX flavored, which is where my mentor came from.
I am not arrogant. I know what I know and there was no easy way to learn it; not then, not at all. But I am, however, becoming more and more jaded by the day. It is fear-based.
I can no longer handle a keyboard and I am a touch-typist. It takes minutes to form and correct a 10-word sentence. Just like that one. My fingers have no feeling. I'm also losing a bit of grey matter--word spelling is becoming difficult where it once was easy-peasy. And it is becoming more and more difficult to handle math problems in my head. That used to come naturally.
Worst of all, I am starting to forget more than a little bit of what has taken me so many years to learn, to become proficient in, and what I love nearly as much as my wife--Linux. Look, that really scares me. Makes me a bit impatient, too. Makes me wonder what I'm going to do when I no longer understand Linux. I'm not asking for anyone's pity; it has been a very nice, long ride. But it's scary.
I apologize for being jaded and sounding arrogant. I am not the latter. I'm just old. Please accept it in the vein in which it is given.
I reopened this topic solely to apologize to you.