Ableton Live 11 (and other) audio issues

Hello, i’ve been using Ableton Live 11 through wine for quite a while now, i never had any issues, it maybe just seemed a little slower than it should, i was able to turn down the output buffer size down to around 312 samples without any issues, sometimes the audio would pop but it was worth the low latency.

Yesterday i tried updating through garuda-update and even through pacman -Suy, both wanted to replace a ton of packages since it was maybe a couple of weeks since i last updated.
Pacman refused to update because replacing some of the packages would break dependencies, after a bit of googling i decided to use pacman -Suydd to ignore the breaking dependencies and updated fine, everything worked.

In the updated packages i noticed that pipewire was updating too.

Today, after starting Ableton, it said that the audio engine was off because no output device was selected, that was fine but it meant that the update changed audio i/o names.

I selected the new outputs and inputs and my ears almost died when i turned the buffer size below 5000 samples because ALL of the audio sounds incredibly robotic, i wouldnt say it cracks or pops, but sounds like its out of sync with whatever is trying to play it back. The audio only works okay at ~5000 samples buffer size, everything lower lags/sounds robotic and everything above lags.

I dont know whether to suspect pipewire or maybe an alsa update, no idea, im not really experienced with any of this.

One other thing ive noticed is a program ive been working on, which interacted with the pipewire server through an api in rust, when connecting sinks and sources SOMETIMES caused the audio to be choppy, which i suspected is maybe something like them becoming out of sync, didnt do research and said id fix it later. However now, EVERY time i connect two pipewire nodes together the audio is choppy and doesnt play back correctly.

Any help is appreciated since i have no idea how to go about this, google doesnt return many relevant articles about this thing, and when it comes to ableton it returns 0. Should i ask on pipewires github? Is this not a pipewire problem?

My driver type in ableton is: MME/DirectX
My input device in ableton is: Built-in Audio Analog Stereo Wave
My output device in ableton is: Built-in Audio Analog Stereo Wave
(Wave has never been in the device names before)
Some of the other devices are things like: PulseAudio Wave, PulseAudio DX and so on.

Thanks!

System:
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Garuda (2.6.17-1):
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